Baruch Spinoza

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Hayagrīva: Spinoza. Spinoza says that, "The infinite God must possess infinite attributes." He is saying that, "God, being the basis of all existence, cannot be

described in a material way." He is a pantheist in the sense that he believes, "In the one substance." However he believes that, "God has infinite divine attributes and only two of these attributes fall within the realm of human experience, and these are thought and extension; or mind and matter."

Prabhupāda: [coughs] So, so far God is concerned, and undoubtedly He is unlimited and His qualities are unlimited. So His one of the most important quality is called: bhakta-vatsala. He is very much adhere to His devotee--bhakta-vatsala. So He has unlimited devotees and unlimited dealings with them; therefore He is unlimitedly expanded. That is pantheism. But it does not mean because He is unlimitedly expanded, His personality is lost. He is person, He is person always even though He is unlimitedly expanded. That is the Vedic version: prasya pram dya pram eva avaiyate [o Invocation]. He is complete and if another complete form expands from Him, a still He remains complete. He is not lost. The material conception is if one unit, if something is taken from it, then it becomes less of that thing. But God is so complete that you can go on taking from Him unlimitedly, still He remains unlimited. That is pantheist. I think they are impersonalist.

Hayagrīva: Yes. Spinoza is impersonal. He asserts that, "God cannot be a remote cause of the creation." He says that, "The creation flows from God in the same way that conclusions flow from principles in mathematics. God is free to create, but He is the immanent cause." That is to say, the creation is an extension of Himself.

Prabhupāda: Yes. That is, He creates by His energy. Just like in the Bhagavad-gt it is stated: bhmir po 'nalo vyu kha mano buddhir eva ca bhinn me prakti aadh

[Bg 7.4] These eight kinds of material elements--earth, water, air, fire, sky, mind, intelligence and ego--they are material energies, and this material world is made of these material elements. So because it is made of God's energy, therefore it is called created by God. But this is creation of His energy. Prakti pradhna, upadhna, pradhna. The ingredients are coming from Him and prakti--nature, creates. This is the idea of creation. So God is remote cause and an immanent cause also because these elements, they are God's energy. So the immanent cause is the energy. Therefore it is confirmed in the Bhagavad-gt [Bg 9.4], may tatam ida sarvam: "By Me, every..., this everything is expanding." So when He says "By Me," then He is the immanent cause. There are two causes: remote and immanent.

Prabhupāda: So both, He is remote cause and immanent cause.

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