B. F. Skinner

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Śyāmasundara: So this, this philosopher is B. F. Skinner. He is actually a psychologist, but he has a philosophy also. And that philosophy...

Prabhupāda: Well psychology is part of philosophy.

Prabhupāda: In Vaisnava philosophy. Psychology better position [indistinct] together makes philosophy.

Śyāmasundara: Anyway, the philosophy is that, "The Christian ideal that inside the body there is a person is outmoded", he says. "But the science has discovered that a person's behavior and his reactions are simply a product of his environment, his conditioning. That he can make a fool out of a wise man or a wise man out of a fool simply by changing the surroundings and the conditions. This is called the..."

Prabhupāda: Why the man has not been able to change the surrounding of death, birth? What is this surrounding?

Śyāmasundara: Well, he said, "That problem can, can be never be solved."

Prabhupāda: Then how he said you can make change by surroundings?

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