Philosophy Discussion

Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz

📍 with Syamasundara ⏱ 12 min
True knowledge is recognizing oneself as Krishna's eternal servant; all else is rascaldom.
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Śyāmasundara: Today we are discussing Gottfried Wilhelm Leibniz. Leibniz was a great mathematician. He invented the calculus. But he was also a philosopher. He said that in the universe every act is purposeful; that the purpose of the universe is to realize the goals set forth by God.

Prabhupāda: Very nice. I see that he's first class. Yes. Actually the aim is to reach God. That is the Bhgavata version: na te vidu svrtha-gati hi vium [SB 7.5.31]. These rascals, fools, they do not know that the goal is to reach God. This version, na te vidu svrtha-gati hi viu duray ye bahir-artha-mnina [SB 7.5.31]. Duray means they are hoping something which is never to be realized. All these people... [break] Actually this is the point: surrender. But they are so rascal they will not do it; therefore my is giving them trouble in every way, ultimately. Just

like my Guru Mahrja's plan was that I should come and preach. That was his first instruction. But I wanted that I will not take sannysa and remain as a ghastha, and then I shall do it. That is special favor. Ka says, yasya anughn harisye... "Especially if I am very much anxious to get one reformed, by My mercy, the first thing is that I take away all his money."

Prabhupāda: It is in Bhgavata. This question was raised by Yudhihira Mahrja. So sometimes that is special favor. By force the whole plan is like that, but everyone wants to delay. By special favor he draws by force, "Come on. This time." Because that is explained in Caitanya-caritmta that a rascal, he wants Ka, or he wants God, but at the same time he wants to enjoy this material world, because to want God means finish with material world. But sometimes he is both ways. When Ka sees the other way is hampering, He breaks his profit by force, so that in helpless condition. Everything is explained in the Bhgavata. "I take away his all money. He may try to get money--again I take. So in this way, when he becomes hopeless and there is no money, then he surrenders to Me." And as soon as he has no money, his so-called relatives, friends, wife, children, they neglect, "Oh, what is this man? He is useless." So he is bereft of money, he is bereft of friends, bereft of any love from wife and children, then hopelessly he surrenders to Ka. So the plan is that all these rascal living entities, those who are trying to be happy in this material world, nature's plan is to give him trouble--every attempt shall be frustrated, every attempt shall fail--so that he may come, after many, many births. Bahn janmanm ante jnavn m prapadyante [Bg 7.19]. So He has pointed out that there is a plan, and this is the plan: to bring you back to home, back to Godhead. It is not partial, that somebody may remain here and somebody may go to Godhead. No. The whole plan is that everyone must come back. But he is obstinate, he is obstinate. Just like a bad boy, father

says, "Come on," he's not. He's crying, "No, I'll not go." But the father's only business is to drag him. Therefore the final, after speaking all the proposals in the Bhagavad-gt, Ka says finally, "I am giving you final, very confidential instructions," sarva guhyatamam. "You give up all this rascaldom, arguing with Me. Just surrender unto Me." Arjuna was arguing. "Just surrender unto Me. That is your business. If you think you will be sinful by killing your... I will give you protection." Therefore, before citing this verse He says, "I am speaking to you most confidentially." That means unless one is very sincere to God, he does not heed the final confidential instruction. "All right, you go on with your own work." But to show Arjuna special favor, He says that "I am talking to you now the most confidential instruction. I have talked to you about karma, jna, yoga and so many things, but the most confidential thing is this: that you fully surrender to Me. I will give you all protection."

Śyāmasundara: He explains the mechanistic phenomena, like the laws of nature. He explains that that is the only effective means of fulfilling God's purpose.

Prabhupāda: That's it. Yes. All the laws of nature are working [indistinct]. The body is durga, the superintendent of the fort. This is called durga. Just like fort is very much fortified; you cannot go; they say nobody can enter, nobody can leave, like that. This is called durga. And the superintendent is called Durg. From durga it has come to Durg. She is also confidential maidservant of Ka, but she has got [indistinct] to punish these demons. Demon is [indistinct], that I worship his mother, but mother is engaged to punish him because [indistinct]. She is giving whatever the demon wants. "Give me money. Give me good wife. Give me reputation. Give me strength." "All right," but at the same time everything is frustrated with this [indistinct]. Two things are going on. One thing, that whatever he wants he is given: "I will get it." On the other side, punishment. This is nature's flow, and she is doing this under the instruction of Ka. "This living entity, he has, or he wants immediately to become an enjoyer, so give him all sources of material enjoyment, but at the

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