Saint Augustine

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Hayagrīva: This is St. Augustine, or Augustine. We'll call him Augustine.

Prabhupāda: Hmm. [fatigue sound] Hayagrva: Hm. Augustine like Origen, considered the soul to be immaterial, noncorporeal. He believed that, "The soul did not exist prior to the birth of the individual human being. It is only at death that the soul attains its immortal nature and lives on through eternity." Prabhupda: What is that? He sometimes says it is not eternal? What is the clear idea ?

Hayagrīva: "The soul did not exist previous to the birth of the individual human being." Prabhupda: Does not exist?

Hayagrīva: "When the individual was created, the soul was created with him. Only after this initial creation is there immortality." Prabhupda: What is mean? It is not very clear.

Hayagrīva: "The soul is created," he is saying. That means it has...

Prabhupāda: If it's created, then how it is immortal?

Hayagrīva: It's immortal after it's created. It's created but it doesn't die.

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