True poverty belongs to those without Krishna; the spiritually devoted are eternally rich.Listen — Srila Prabhupada Uvaca
[much background noise] Harikeśa: Speak loudly. Hari-śauri: It's very noisy. Mahāṁsa: This is Dr. Ghosh.
Prabhupāda: [Transl. Oh. Please sit down.] Mahāṁsa: This is Mr. Puranmal Agarwal, one of our very close friends in Hyderabad.
Prabhupāda: I think I have seen you. Mahāṁsa: Oh, yes, yes.
Prabhupāda: [Transl. You are Dr. Ghosh.] Dr. Ghosh: [Transl. I am Dr. Ghosh. I lived in Europe for a long time. Then by the order of guru we have established a village in a jungle on top of a hill. I have been residing there for twenty-eight years now. I am aware of you and your mission. So for your cause there is a big and famous place on top of the hill which he has already seen, Kodaikanal. It is near Kodaikanal. It's a wonderful spot.]
Prabhupāda: [Transl. Goregaon?] Mahāṁsa: Kodaikanal. Dr. Ghosh: [Transl. Within fifty kilometer in the dense forest, we are establishing a village. There we need some kind of spiritual cultivation. So if you kindly visit and bless that place with your feetdust then at least ten thousand people will be benefitted.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. I must go. Certainly I will go.] Mahāṁsa: Beautiful place. Dr.
Ghosh: [Transl. You come….I have created a place for all these devotees. They are working hard in this heat. That place is very cool. Everspring. There are no crows. No snakes.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. How far is it from here?] Dr.
Ghosh: [Transl. Very near from here. Actually I have been waiting for you here since eight days.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Oh. That's good.] Dr. Ghosh: [Laughs] [Transl. Eight days. He knows it. Eight days I have been waiting. Just to have your darśana…I am known all over the world.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. What is your full name?] Dr. Ghosh: [Transl. Hiranmaya Ghoshsingh. We belong to Jessore. My father and grandfather were kings of Jessore. That is all gone now.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Singh?] Dr. Ghosh: [Transl. Therefore the word 'singh' is added to the surname of the eldest son of the family. And we are kṣatriya. I lived in England for a long time. I started living there from the age of seventeen and returned only after India's independence.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. Where were you exactly?] Dr. Ghosh: [Transl. Mostly I was in France. I completed my M.D. from France and Viena. I had very good reputation in Europe. When our country got independence, at that time Śrī Aurobindo was our guide. Jawaharlal Nehru invited me to come back. I saw here everything is a mess. Aurobindo advised me not to get involved in all that. "Your job is in the jungle with the poor." I searched and found a jungle where I have been residing last twenty-eight years now. I am 77 years old.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. When Gandhi's assistants were imprisoned, they approached Aurobindo Ghosh many times to join, but he refused.] Dr. Ghosh: [Transl. Yes. We hold hari-saṅkīrtana there. And my wife is a world famous singer. We are just waiting to have your feetdust there.] Prabhupāda: [Transl. As soon as you call us we will go there.] Dr.