The eternal soul travels through bodies like entering different vehicles, with sleep and death merely differing in duration.Listen — Srila Prabhupada Uvaca
Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: While I was in New York, I've been going to the United Nations building there, and there's a organization called ECOSOC, the Economic and Social Council. It's made up of the members of the U.N., and I think there's very good chance that our Society can be represented amongst this group as a nongovernmental organization, which means that in various matters which the council discusses, we would be a consultive group and we would be able to present statements as well as literature on how to solve..., on our viewpoint on how to solve various problems facing the council. And these would be distributed to all the United Nations representatives. Prabhupāda: As soon as you say "God," they will reject. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, actually, one of the things which this council handles is freedom of religion throughout the world. Prabhupāda: That means they do not believe in God. Freedom of religion means whatever you like, you do. Hṛdayānanda: Yes.
That's a fact. Prabhupāda: That is going on. Religion is not very important. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: No. It's not one of their major considerations.
Prabhupāda: Yes. How to eat, how to sleep, how to have sex, that is their consideration. Animal activities. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: But one advantage of this is that all of the... Just like they make a lot of studies of various countries. Prabhupāda: "Studies" means if they do not take the science of God as the most important items, then they'll say: "Yes, you have freedom, you can do.
I have got my freedom." Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: Yeah. They make a lot of information available on the... In other words, it'll help our saṅkīrtana movement because they make inquiries into the freedom of an individual, for example, to... As we wanted to distribute literature in various countries, they have so much facts and figures on where that would be possible. Prabhupāda: And the newsreel will say that "This saṅkīrtana is nuisance, it is disturbance." Then what they'll do? Rāmeśvara: There's also some respectability if we become connected with... Prabhupāda: That is all right. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: It's prestigious, and it also allows us to have a lot of information available.
Just like, as we're finding out, for example, Rāmeśvara Mahārāja is working with our lawyer here, and we find that we have the legal right to distribute in airports. Legally, we have the right. Similarly, there are legal rights for our saṅkīrtana movement in various countries in the world... Prabhupāda: That is nice. Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: ...and through this group we would get access to all information on what the legal position is and other things of this kind.
Prabhupāda: Harer nāma [Cc Ādi 7.76]. Yes, that's nice. [break] Rāmeśvara: ...Yogi, he tried to file a trademark on the words "Transcendental Meditation" with the United States government. So we protested that actually he cannot claim that he is teaching transcendental meditation, what to speak of prohibiting anyone else from using those words.
So they accepted our claim and kicked out his application. Prabhupāda: Yes. Rāmeśvara: They were writing, their lawyers were writing our Society letters, that "You cannot use the words 'Transcendental Meditation.' Maharishi has made up this process..." Hṛdayānanda: Copyrighted. Rāmeśvara: "...and you are stealing from him." Tamāla Kṛṣṇa: He's stealing from Kṛṣṇa. Baradrāj: Yesterday you gave an example of a man who was lying asleep in bed, and he is transported somewhere in dream, walking on the beach. What is the full...? Because we're going to try to make an exhibit of it. So what is the full analogy?