The feeling of necessity for God reveals intelligence; those without such necessity live in dullness.Listen — Srila Prabhupada Uvaca
[much interference on tape, rendering sections inaudible] Prabhupāda: ...do not accept that these trees and plants, they have got life? Do they accept or not? Hari-śauri: Yes. They say they've recorded different types of living symptoms in plants and whatever. They see how plants react to different stimulus.
And there was experiments that they actually react out of fear, they show symptoms of fear. Prabhupāda: So, they have soul or not? Hari-śauri: Well, they say that the human beings haven't got a soul, so what to speak of the animals and the plants. Prabhupāda: What do they mean by soul? Hari-śauri: [laughs] They don't mean anything. They think it's all just chemical reaction. But nowadays they're doing more research into things like telepathy and what they call ESP, extra-sensory perception. Rather than just put it down to basic chemical reactions, they're thinking that there's something on a more subtle platform. Prabhupāda: What is that platform?
Hari-śauri: It's what they call ESP, extra-sensory perception, something that you can't see but it's still there, the influence of the mind over material objects. Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: They say that material objects are just like automobiles, dead, but they can't move without the influence of the spirit soul. So the human being or the trees... [break] ...and the jīvas were seeing that the body is moving, so many things are taking place. The point is that in the universe, wind is blowing, the ocean is moving... Prabhupāda: There is God.
You are a small soul, and He is big soul, Supersoul. Similarly, as the soul is [indistinct]. If there is no soul, there is no pregnancy. Simply matter discharge is not pregnancy.
There must be soul. Similarly, this material combination, huge material combination, [indistinct]. Without Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu, there is no actual action, reaction. Hari-śauri: Garbhodakaśāyī Viṣṇu is the Supersoul of the universe. Prabhupāda: Seas and oceans are in each planet, and in the Universal Ocean is Garbho ocean. Garbhodakaśāyī. [break] ...ocean, many planets and go deep down. Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: Where?
Underneath the water? Prabhupāda: Yes. Puṣṭa Kṛṣṇa: You said that the different living entities in lower forms of life, they've attained those lower forms of life due to their work in the human form? Prabhupāda: Yes. A criminal is freed, but if he again commits criminal..., criminality, then again he's put into the jail. Like that. Human form of life is freedom, now make your choice.
But if you misuse it, then again go. Mām aprāpya nivartante mṛtyuḥ saṁsāra vartmani [Bg 9.3]. [break] go home back to Godhead. But if he does not take the chance, and misuse it, like animals, then again he goes down. The process is to go back to home, back to Godhead, eternal life, blissful life.