Without Krishna consciousness, even civilized societies become dens of thieves masquerading as statesmen.Listen — Srila Prabhupada Uvaca
Prabhupāda: ...they encourage to become thief? Hṛdayānanda: It looks like that.
Prabhupāda: A secular state? Hṛdayānanda: To encourage nationalism, serving the government, it's economic development...
Prabhupāda: That's all right. If the people become thieves and rogues, then how the economic development will be possible? Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: This they can see. They have made no progress since they became...
Prabhupāda: At least they should be, apart from religion, they should be educated to become truthful, to become merciful, to..., like these ordinary things. They should be educated. Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: Well, they're not being taught that way.
Prabhupāda: So where is the...? What is the meaning of secular? Does it mean... Secularism means roguism?
They have absolutely no shame. They will again come back. Devotee (1): Actually, they are all doing it; he just got caught. So he doesn't feel so bad. It's like a game. Prabhupāda: So how, if the state has condemned him as dishonest man, how he's being appointed as Ambassador? Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: He's not being appointed so far. Hṛdayānanda: But he is making...
He's trying to... He's trying to position himself to try to get that... He's aspiring. Like Dhṛtarāṣṭra. Gopāla Kṛṣṇa: He's a rascal.