Soul's independence means it can foolishly fall, or wisely engage in Krishna consciousness forever.Listen — Srila Prabhupada Uvaca
Room Conversation with Dr. John Mize — June 23, 1975, Los Angeles 750623R1-LOS ANGELES [112:00 Minutes] Conv_750623R1-LOS ANGELES Prabhupāda: ...advises Arjuna that "I am... The body and the soul different." Dr. Mize: The body and soul are different, yes.
Prabhupāda: That's nice. That is the beginning of spiritual education. People do not understand. I have seen many European big, big professors, they do not have any clear conception that the body and the soul, different.
Dr. Mize: It still disturbs me, of course, how the body can influence the mind so much, the mind not being the soul apparently. But I know that when I get hit on the back of the head, my mind seems to blank out. Once in judo I recall having my carotid artery pressed, and consciousness left.
But it was very pleasant. It was not unpleasant at all.
Prabhupāda: No. Actually, soul is above intelligence. Above intelligence. Our gross senses, that is our present perception, direct.
And beyond these gross senses, there is the mind. And beyond the mind, there is intelligence. And beyond intelligence, there is soul. So come to that platform requires that meditation process to make the sense activities calm and quiet, mind settle, and then come to the intelligence platform, then come to the spiritual platform.
[aside:] Find out this verse, indriyāṇi parāṇy āhur indriyebhyaḥ paraṁ manaḥ manasas tu parā buddhir buddhes tu paro yaḥ saḥ [Bg. 3.42] Jayatīrtha: Indriyāṇi pramathini? Prabhupāda: Indriyāṇi parāṇy ahuḥ. Para. You better come here. Yes? Jayatīrtha: indriyāṇi parāṇy āhur indriyebhyaḥ paraṁ manaḥ manasas tu parā buddhir yo buddheḥ paratas tu saḥ [Bg. 3.42] "The working senses are superior to dull matter; mind is higher than the senses; intelligence is still higher than the mind; and he [the soul] is even higher than the intelligence." Purport: "The senses are different outlets for the activities of lust.