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Teach by Your Own Personal Example – Managing Devotees in India Requires Strict Spiritual Standards

📅 March 15, 1974 📍 Vrindavan ⏱ 36 min
Teach by your own perfect example; discipline flows from living the standards you demand of others.
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Room Conversation with Sannyāsīs — March 15, 1974, Vṛndāvana 740315R1-VRNDAVAN [36:23 Minutes] Conv_740315R1-VRNDAVAN Śyāmasundara: ...seeing how the money is spent, everything is going nice. It is organized, and everything...

Prabhupāda: Yes. Management. Management means everything is in order; otherwise what is the use of assembling together? Śyāmasundara: If there's no manager, then a sannyāsī should step forward. Pañcadraviḍa: Sometimes, though, it's hard to maintain this routine.

You yourself told the devotees not to go out and purchase excessive amounts of sweets, but that didn't check them. They're still in the sweet shops continually. This morning I woke a...

Prabhupāda: Huh? Pañcadraviḍa: I went to wake a devotee up. I woke him up at a quarter to four. I said, "Prabhu, you want to get up now?

It's four o'clock, time to wake." So he didn't wake, but I..., I went ahead and bathed, because I wanted to do that, and then I come back and it was almost time for āratik. So I said, "If you are not going to bathe, at least get out of bed and come to āratik. But he wouldn't even do that much. So what can you do under these conditions?

When you tell somebody, you can't physically twist their arm. Śyāmasundara: But the whole idea is that if you create a spiritual atmosphere that's so enlivening that everyone will want to participate in it, that's the solution. You can't individually treat each person. You have to get the whole thing generated by..., by pouring water on the root.

Prabhupāda: That if you sit down for chanting, they should automatically sit down. If one is next, then you can say, "Why you did not come?" But if there is no chanting, no sitting, simply "Wake up, wake up, wake up," "All right, I'm waking up [indistinct]." But one may wake up or not, you begin your work immediately. Pañcadraviḍa: We go to the āratik. Prabhupāda: Huh? Pañcadraviḍa: We go to the..., up into the temple for the āratik, so he stays in bed and sleeps and we go to the āratik. Prabhupāda: No, that if he stays in the bed, then ask to leave. Yes. Not that fighting. Hayagrīva: Śrīla Prabhupāda? Prabhupāda: Yes. Hayagrīva: I just want to say one thing, that this..., then I'll leave, because this is a meeting of the management here.

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