Illusion presupposes reality; only the devotee transcends both by serving Krishna with desireless love.Listen — Srila Prabhupada Uvaca
Morning Walk — December 2, 1973, Los Angeles 731202MW-LOS ANGELES [55:54 Minutes] Walk_731202MW-LOS ANGELES Prabhupāda: Somebody who was atheist, talk with Kīrtanānanda. Bali-mardana: Hṛdayānanda Swami.
Prabhupāda: You, you were atheist? Hṛdayānanda: Yes.
Prabhupāda: So what is your view of atheist? What is your argument? Hṛdayānanda: I don't know. I couldn't think of any good argument.
They say that... No, it's not a good argument, though. [laughs] Bali-mardana: It's all one, isn't it? Hṛdayānanda: Kīrtanānanda, his argument was, when he was an atheist, he said that actually the void is truth, and all categories or all varieties are illusion.
So he said that we may think that actually spiritual variegatedness is transcendental, but that's actually also our illusion. That was his argument.
Prabhupāda: So what did you reply? Hṛdayānanda: I replied that if categories are illusion, then his talking is also illusion.
Prabhupāda: Yes, that's nice. Hṛdayānanda: So I wouldn't let him say anything else.