Room Conversation in Vrindavan

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Room Conversation — October 27, 1972, Vṛndāvana 721027R1-VRNDAVAN [15:11 Minutes] Conv_721027R1-VRNDAVAN Prabhupāda: So these people, the sahajiyās, they have become dogs and hogs. Now after this life... [indistinct—loud kirtana]. For their sinful activities they have become dogs and hogs.

Now unconsciously as dogs and hogs they are taking advantage of the Vṛndāvana land. Now they become. Now they will become pure devotees. Just like we see in the life of Bharata Mahārāja: so much austerity, and because a little attachment for the deer, the next life he was taken[?].

The next life he was taken[?], Yamala-arjuna; they became trees. But on account of staying in Vṛndāvana, next life [indistinct]. So we should be intelligent. Why should we take another chance of becoming hogs and dogs?

But that requires intelligence. Ultimately they will be delivered, but it will be delayed by becoming hogs and dogs once. Gurudāsa: Acyutānanda Mahārāja said that he has heard that Bhaktisiddhānta Sarasvatī has said that these turtles in Vṛndāvana were previously caste gosvāmīs.

Prabhupāda: Yes. So... Gurudāsa: It's a result of trying to cheat māyā, then?

Prabhupāda: Huh? Gurudāsa: It's a result of trying to...

Prabhupāda: Yes, this is... They are showing that "We are gosvāmīs," but doing all nonsense. This is cheating. Like this man, he is thinking that "Somehow or other I am getting money through Dāmodara, and I shall drink and everything, do all this." It is not cheating?

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